Thelander – PitchBook Investment Firm Compensation Panel Webinar

December 2, 2022

Why Carried Interest Does Not Vest Like Startup Equity

Anyone moving from an operating role into an investment firm brings a mental model of vesting that quietly does not apply. At a startup, the four-year schedule with a one-year cliff is close to universal — you rarely negotiate it because there is rarely anything to negotiate. Carried interest works differently, and the differences matter more than most candidates realize when they are evaluating an offer.

Vesting runs the life of the fund, not four years

Carry typically vests across the fund’s full life. Ten years is common, and the share of awards vesting over ten years or longer has been climbing. Some funds use a shorter schedule, some add a one- or two-year cliff, and some accelerate.

The logic is structural. A fund concentrates its real work in the investment period — that is when capital gets deployed, when management fees run highest, and when the decisions that determine returns actually get made. So vesting is frequently weighted toward that window, with a meaningful majority vesting during the investment period and the remainder spreading across the tail.

That tail is longer than the documents suggest. A ten-year fund rarely terminates at ten years; extensions pushing to thirteen or fourteen are ordinary. Someone who made the investments and left at year six would miss the years of active management that turn those positions into realized returns — which is precisely what the vesting structure is designed to prevent.

Your role changes the shape of the schedule

An investment professional’s vesting tends to track the investment period, because that is where their contribution concentrates. A general counsel’s contribution is roughly constant across the fund’s life, so straight-line vesting over the full term fits better. Two people at the same firm can hold carry on the same fund under quite different schedules, and neither is anomalous.

Two ways an award gets expressed

Carry gets communicated in two ways, and confusing them leads to badly mispriced offers.

The first is a percentage of the carry pool. If the fund carries a defined percentage and you hold a stated share of that pool, you know exactly what proportion of the total you are entitled to.

The second — increasingly common below the most senior level — is carried interest dollars at work. If a fund doubles, the carry generated is the carry percentage applied to the gain. Expressing an award in carried-interest-dollars-at-work terms means: if the fund returns 2x and you are fully vested, you receive that stated dollar figure. Triple the fund and the figure scales accordingly.

It is a term of art, and it is less intuitive than a straight percentage. But it has a real virtue — it forces the question that matters. Not what percentage do I have, but what does this actually pay if the fund performs, and what if it does not.

Fund size changes the whole package

Comparing compensation across all venture firms produces a number that describes nobody. A large firm drawing management fees on billions pays cash that a small emerging manager structurally cannot match. So emerging managers compete on carry percentage instead, because that is the lever available — and because a smaller fund has a genuinely easier path to a strong multiple than a fund carrying billions in assets under management.

Neither is better. They are different risk profiles, and they should be evaluated as such.

Why turnover here stays low

Investment firms see far less churn than their portfolio companies, and the reason is mechanical. Once capital is committed, it is committed — a downturn does not force the budget reset that hits a startup whose revenue falls and whose next round shrinks. Add long vesting and a long road to liquidity, and staying is usually the rational move. Leaving mid-schedule means restarting the clock somewhere else.

What this means when you are negotiating

Ask which structure the award uses, and get the vesting schedule in writing — the cliff, the acceleration, what happens after the investment period, and what happens if you leave.

Then benchmark it. Compensation here is not a single number; it is cash, bonus, and carry interacting differently at every level and every fund size, against a firm’s own philosophy about how everyone else is paid. The market has grown far more transparent than it was, with pay transparency requirements in several states and more scrutiny on equity in career paths. But transparency only helps if you know which questions to ask.

Adapted from the Thelander–PitchBook Investment Firm Compensation panel with Jody Thelander (J. Thelander Consulting), Jim Jenson (Wilson Sonsini Goodrich & Rosati), and Max Navas (PitchBook).